Continuing The Gun Conversation

Hello, my name is Lance. I don’t believe in the second amendment in the way it’s shouted from every backyard and radio talk show in this country. I’m a liberal. I support as much gun control as our United States government will pursue including today’s historic gun law proposals President Barack Obama will send to Congress.

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A symbolic Gunfight at The O.K. Corral is happening today in the United States. President Barack Obama drops his new gun law ideas and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo waits to sign a gun control package into law for his state, twelve miles of weapons are on display at a gun show in Las Vegas. Cuomo’s bill would lower magazine capacity to seven rounds from the current cap of 10. It would also impose background checks on private gun sales, which is how firearms are often sold at gun shows like SHOT, the massive event in the land of booze, hookers, and $3 shrimp.

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The show, and it is a show, with 12 miles of guns, ammo, and accessories, is open to industry people, not consumers. Still, over sixty-thousand pistol peddlers are expected to stroll the highway of heat. Gun shows open to the general public, like the one located ten miles from where I live, this weekend, in suburban Georgia account for 12 percent of the industry $3.6 billion dollars in revenue. Several gun shows were canceled in and around Newtown, Connecticut this month, after the school shooting that killed 26 people, including 20 children.

The initial reaction of “Obama’s taking our guns” after Newtown is fueling attendance to gun shows. Organizers of shows in 17 states report record turnouts are expected. This includes a gun expo in Golden, Colorado later this month close to the Colombine High School massacre almost 14 years ago and the Aurora theater tragedy last year.

President Obama just announced he’s sending sweeping gun law proposals to Congress including:

1) requiring criminal background checks on all gun sales, including private sales

2) banning “military-style” assault weapons

3) limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds  (same as NYC’s)

4) strengthening penalties for gun trafficking

The president also laid out a series of 23 executive actions which are free from a Congressional blockade and intended to strengthen existing laws, augment mental health measures and promote federal research on gun crime through the Centers for Disease Control.

I support all of the President’s proposals and expect most reasonable Americans should. But they don’t.

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So, all of this is begs a question that I just can’t ask in a more thoughtful manner.

What the hell is the matter with people?

I can’t get past the idea, especially when it’s tweeted, facebooked, texted, message boarded, and bumperstickered, that after children are killed, the rally’s around the “don’t tread on our guns!” flag. Really? We lead the world in gun violence and ya’ll want to pull the “pry my gun from my cold, death fingers” routine?

My dear friend and fellow Sprocket, Sarah, has a slightly different view than I  http://sprocketink.com/beginning-the-gun-conversation/ . She sees the need, want, and positive aspects of gun ownership and gun use. I meant you can’t own a gun and just not use it. They’re expensive, unless you buy it off a weird guy in the street. I used to laugh when my dad would say something was “hotter than a $5 pistol”. Now, I cringe and wait to hear it was used to terrorize a kid’s birthday party.

I understand Sarah’s and my relatives admiration of guns. Wait, that’s not true, I don’t understand it nor do I respect it, but I understand and respect them as people. I see their gun enthusiasm like they probably see my CD collection, you know, ridiculous, over the top, and why does a straight, married man have so many Ani DiFranco’s discs? But the only things Ani kills are boredom and stupidity.

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But as the government finally does something that I believe fervently in, gun control, I’m worried about the reaction of my fellow citizens. I used to support the second amendment. Now, it seems like a poorly written pipe dream against invading Englishmen and guys that lived in the woods named Naughty Nigel the goat farmer. The problem is Nigel and his goats have descendants that think owning AR-15s and waving pistols like Yosemite Sam is what makes America great.

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I’ve listened to and read my friends, family, fellow writers who own guns, and second amendment groupies thoughts about what an assault weapon is and why they need an arsenal to kill Bambis. If Humphrey Bogart could take out a gang of baddies in his movies with five shots from a snub-nosed .38, then why does anyone need a semi-automatic handgun to scare away a tweaker looking to steal your TV for a fix?

Something bad will happen from the Vegas show, or the one near my house, or the one in Colorado. The gun lovers are overreacting, not President Obama or the Governor of New York with their laws to shoot down the out of control itchy-trigger fingers of the American gun culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. Lance, you always express my opinions in such a level headed and intelligent manner. Thanks!

    • you know calling me level-headed is like handling a gun without the safety

      but thank you

  2. Thank you, Lance, for speaking up. I could’ve written the same thing, except for the straight part, and the ani difranco part too, although I do have a couple singles I love.

    • 1) get more ani, it’s unamerican not to have more

      2) thank you, write something. more people need to be heard for gun control.

  3. You just became my favorite person ever. (you were only top 5 previously.)

    • It won’t last. I’m too high maintenance.

      It’s interesting you feel this way with your husband being military.according to so many righties, military folk love guns and hate Obama. I know that’s not true, though.

      thanks

  4. “2) banning “military-style” assault weapons”

    We all are aware, on both sides, that this ban on “military style” guns will not make all them illegal to own, right? We all are aware that when an assault weapons ban is placed, only the sale and manfacture of “assault weapons” and high capacity magazines manfufactured after that date will be banned or more regulated, right?

    But it’s always humorus to hear a non-gun owner tell educated, responsible gun owners what they can and can’t own and also tell us that we’re less enlightend morons. Please, no one throw, “what about grenades or a tank or a stealth fighter or a missle or a bazooka” at me. Common sense.

    Today, I didn’t have to use my AK. It was a good day…. I don’t own an AK, but Ice Cube must have and without it, we don’t get that great line.

    Does Sprocket Ink have any non-liberals? I feel so alone when I come here, but this stinger missle by my side and 50 round clip keeps me safe. And yet, I still comment to await another elitiest virtual beating.

    • we had a couple non-liberals and they decided the booze was too cheap.

      actually i don’t know all of our writers’ politics, but I’ll ask, when I can remember.

      Because I’m a non gun owner doesn’t mean I know best. It means that I’ve made a choice to not have a gun.

      There’s no reason on God’s green earth to have anything more than a handgun and the low to medium caliber sport rifles you would use to kill a dee or turkey or duck on a saturday morning at daylight. Also, no running background checks on gun show and private sales is insane. Will Obama’s proposed laws and Cuomo’s new laws prevent Aurora, Newtown, Columbine, etc? Probably not. But at least it holds the gun industry responsible for their Wild West attitudes and procedures.

      • I fully support an 8-week requirement for all Americans for gun control: military basic training. Require a 2-year military service for all citizens when gun ban is in place…. No worries, the military has writers, photographers, reporters, admin types, fobbit and pogue spots, lots of safe jobs.

        Oh, and that snarky shot that “all military hates obama”.. Hate and not voting for the guy are not on the same map. 35% of the military voted for him. The other 65% still do their duty. That’s far from hate.

        • i was talking about the “talking points” of Rush, Hannity, Fox News , etc that military folks are mostly Republican.

    • Jacob, I have to ask (and I’m not trying to be rude– mostly funny) what do you think of me? A second amendment supporting, gun owning, moderate-liberal, who thinks allowing the production and sale of ARs in the nation is a bad idea? Because what I’m finding out is that there are a lot of people like me. Which kind of puts your argument into a tail-spin.

      • oh snap…i want to know this too.

      • What’s ironic, is what my selective hearing cousin has missed, I’ve never once said that AR-15s are a good idea. Never. I don’t own one, nor have a desire to currently own one. I’m smart enough to know that you can do just as much damage, more damage with a 5, 7, 10 round capacity hunting rifle than with a 10-round AR-15. The pistol grip design and selective ignorant folks in the media and politics have identified the AR-15 as the bad guy.

        AR-15 is not a high caliber weapon. It looks scary, but I know that it’s just looks, which is why I get confused when people rant about wanting to ban the scary looking guns with extended magazines. 10-rounds is plenty, no need for more. Ban the AR-15, I don’t really care. My heirloom .30-06 winchester is MUCH more powerful than an AR-15. Most domestic shootings are 3x3x3, 3 seconds long, 3 yards away, and 3 shots fired. Within those parameters, a shotgun is the most deadly, by far. NO ONE is talking about shotguns.

        I’ve been painted as a right-wing extremist here, but that is absurd. Like most people, I don’t get 30-round clips.

        • I agree with you there– most shootings (accidental and otherwise) are done with a shotgun, rifle, or low caliber handgun. 3x3x3 is the rule– and it does happen every day. I don’t know that we’d ever be able to stop that. I think we can curb mass shootings in public areas, though.

          I think my stance comes into play because rifles, shotguns, and handguns can have reasonable uses OTHER than killing large amounts of people in a short amount of time. A shotgun could inflict much damage at close range, and possibly to a large group of people, in your parameters above. You’d have to know what you were doing, I think, to make that work. ARs, on the other hand, are specifically made (not that they always do the job they were intended to do, mind you) to inflict much damage quickly (and without extensive training or skill). One could argue hunting or sport for an AR, but I have a damn hard time with those arguments. Just because a AR-15 is a .22 caliber doesn’t mean it’s intent is hunting… know what I mean?

          And I wouldn’t use a .22 for hunting. It’s inhumane, unless you’re a fantastic shot. Just my opinion.

          • @Sarah – That’s the most common misconception regarding AR’s. People who don’t own them, or shoot them (more than once) have no idea what their use is. When crazy people hijack airplanes they fly them into skyscrapers to commit mass murder. When crazy people steal guns they enter highly populated areas to commit mass murder. Now I know that an airplane’s sole purpose isn’t to commit mass murder at a rapid pace, and neither is an AR. But both can be a tool to commit mass murder when fueled by malcontent, pure evil or mental illness.

            I hate to sound juvenile but as long as my guns are legal and are used / stored safely and responsibly it’s no one’s business what I use them for, right? More babies are killed from abortions in a single day than from guns in a year. It’s just that we’ve chosen make that form of killing legal.

            As for using an AR for hunting, we use it to shoot the armadillos that eat our quail eggs. It doesn’t blow them to smithereens like a 12 ga. and it doesn’t inhumanely torture it to death like a pellett gun. It gives me the ability to shoot a few times in case I miss the head the first time before it runs. The same goes for snakes and squirrels. I live in the country, I have snakes, squirrels, armadillos, opossums – a multitude of pests and varmints whose sole purpose in life is to destroy property, livestock and farm land. But I have take no issue with people who live in the city owning any type of firearm as long as he or is she – isn’t a leunatic, keeps it locked in a safe when not in use, does not use it with criminal intent. It’s that simple.

            What the government is doing by creating stricter laws is opening up the black market even more for the criminal and insane minds. Your normal everyday responsible gun owners aren’t the ones out there going on shooting rampages. And as we’ve seen throughout history the criminally insane are not going to follow gun laws. Their intent is to kill many at rapid pace and they will continue to do regardless of gun laws/bans.

        • You had me at selective hearing cousin! You know him so well. Im sorry, carry on..

      • Sarah, I didn’t answer your question. With people forcing us into one camp or the other, “gun owning liberal” is like a “vegan in a steakhouse” in today’s climate.

        To me, your stance is logical. I’m good with it.

        • I very much agree with Sarah’s stance. As well as Jacob’s.

  5. Although the feeling isn’t mutual, I do appreciate and respect your opinion on the second ammendment. My family has what you refer to as an arsenal of guns–shotguns, rifles, handguns, and an AR15 (shocked?). Why? Because it’s our right to own them legally and use them legally for hunting, sport and for personal protection. I don’t expect someone who doesn’t own a gun (assuming you don’t since you support as much gun control as the government will persue, ideally banning all guns) to understand, but I do expect people who are anti gun to at the very least educate themselves on the reprecussions of butchering the second ammendment. When the “tweakers” and homicidal schizophrenics are the only ones in the country with weapons who will be left to save the beloved TV’s or people? Criminals and homicidal maniacs don’t watch the news or keep up with how to purchase, own and use a gun legally, and no amount of gun laws will keep them from obtaining one (see Chicago for example). This really has nothing at all to do with guns though, it has to do with protecting our civil liberties and rights. Perhaps the first ammendment should be fair game just as the second…??? Your blog would not exist without the first ammendment and there are countless people who would not exist without the second ammendment. What the government should be doing is outing “illegal” gun owners, strengthening the NICS and prosecuting actual criminals, not law abiding, tax paying citizens.

    Althought I respectfully disagree with you, I think you did a great job, Lance. :)

    • Good point on the first amendment. I should clarify. I don’t support banning all guns. I support banning assault rifles, military style weapons, and guns to anyone with a criminal record or mental health problem (this includes me). Self-awareness is a great thing Angie. The problem is responsible gun owners like you, Jacob, and my fellow writer, Sarah, aren’t holding the NRA, gun shows, and murderers responsible in the sense of their irresponsiblity with guns.

      Back to your first amendment point (which I love). If one of my fellow sprocket writers or blogging friends put out an article that defamed someone or hurt someone or revealed information that was damaging, wrong, etc. Trust me, I would light them up like a Christmas tree and work to get them censured, banned, whatever. You have my word.

      These amendment are meant to be used responsibly and with respect to the citizens. Writers/artists/actors, etc have abused the first amendment for years, Remembers the “piss christ” art exhibit years ago? horrible. Well, when 20 babies die in a school and wayne la pierre shows up and shouts “mroe guns, arm the schools!” that’s a problem.

      I’m glad we can respectfully disagree and cheer for the falcons, braves, and college football together tomorrow.

    • I have to agree with Jacob and Angie Dawg. I believe in owning guns especially in this time. Why should the legally owned gun owners be persecuted??? If they take away the rights of the 2nd. amendment especially by EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE which, by the way, is being used more by this president than any other., what is going to stop ;him from taking away the rest of our rights. ? I have lived too long in a country that respected and honored the Constitution to take this sitting down. You are most assuredly not a gun owner, but my rights are my rights. Sorry Lance, can not agree with you on this one.

      • Agreeing is boring sometimes so, no problem. Don’t be sorry.

        I think we have to agree, or try to find common ground on what our rights are.

        I love the first amendment but I can’t put out a website calling my ex girlfriends hookers without proof of purchase, right? well, the second amendment doesn’t mention background checks, what kind of guns to reasonably own.

        You think that I think your .38 or .357 magnum should be banned. No. Just because they scare me and I don’t want one doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have it, legally. But Ar-15s and machine guns and assault weapons that can kill dozens of people in seconds should be.

        thanks for reading and commenting

      • ” If they take away the rights of the 2nd. amendment especially by EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE which, by the way, is being used more by this president than any other.”

        I’m confused by this statement. What rights are being taken away, exactly? None.

        Total Executive Orders by President (obtained from http://www.archives.gov)
        Reagan – 380
        G. Bush – 165
        Clinton – 363
        GW Bush – 290
        Obama – 143 (plus the proposed 23) = 166

        How is it that Obama is using EP more than any other? Oh, right. He’s not.

        Please, do some research before posting about serious subjects. It does no one any good if you just repeat unsubstantiated nonsense.

  6. I love Americans. they will never take a second look at anything even if it means their demise.

    home of the brave, land of the ME.

    • i agree with this and glad you caught my satire in the middle

  7. I like your style Lance and I agree with you 100%. I respect and support law-abiding gun owners. What I don’t understand is the NRA’s refusal to even give an INCH. Look, many of Obama’s proposals today are reasonable, but gun owners are coming out and WHINING…. yes, WHINING and THREATENING. Sad, really. Whats the big deal about more restrictions? Why not have a dialogue (about gun control – not video games or some other scapegoat). I just feel like gun owners and the NRA reactions make them look crazy… the type of crazy that we want to keep away from guns. I’m blabbing here… just catching up on my Sprocket Ink news of the day.

    • yeah, you’d think the whining would make them look less impressive even with an AK strapped to their back, guess not. thanks.

  8. @Angie_Dawg: Sorry for having to bring it down here, but the commenting system will not allow me to respond above.

    Please do not assume that I’ve never fired or owned an assault rifle. Also, please don’t assume that I am or always have been an urban dweller. Neither assumption would be accurate.

    I disagree with your assessment of their intent, and I do think intent has EVERYTHING to do with it. Just because someone blew up buildings with a plane doesn’t mean we should legalize bombs. And enough with abortions, already. Abortions have nothing to do with the Second amendment. That logic is flawed.

    Back to intent; I can honestly say you are the first person to tell me that you’ve used your AR for anything other than target practice. I’ve never heard of anyone using an AR for snakes and armadillos. A .22? Sure. An AR-15? No. In fact, I find the idea a bit disconcerting, but again, your house, your rules.

    • Sorry, I didn’t mean for it to sound as though I assumed either, I was speaking of “people” in general who haven’t shot that type of firearm, which you haven’t. I don’t expect anyone who doesn’t own firearms to understand, but I still feel as though law abiding citizens are being talked down to and are being made into the bad guy.

      I never said anything about bombs, I said planes. A plane is a tool just like a gun. The weapon is the operator and the operator is the one with intent, not the tool.

      I disagree that abortions have nothing to do with this. Perhaps I made a bad analogy, but it’s still true. And I find it disconcerting that people who are pro abortion are anti school shooting. But that’s just me, I’m anti killing people period.

      As for how we use our guns, again, if you have never used one or owned one I can understand your fear of them….or others’ intent to use them. That has been my point all along, the problem is the people who are committing the horrible acts. No one is addressing them. As I said, these regulations will only flood the black market with high capacity cartridges and whatever else thats banned…and that’s where the individuals with ill content purchase their guns. But we are very good at exacerbating problems in the US, so there’s that.

      (I’m going to duck out of the feed now. I have kids, dinner, homework, and baths to tend to. I do thank you all for listening to my side and thank you for allowing me to hear/read yours.)

  9. Can I ask a question? Does anyone here really think that James Madison knew that guns would be available that could fire more than one round every 15 seconds when he was writing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? You have been talking about reducing the size of magazines for what I assume are guns that will fire at the pull of a trigger until the magazine is empty. Nothing like that existed in the late 18th century. Most people owned muzzle loaders that were used for hunting.

    One very important thing to keep in mind when reading and interpreting the Constitution is this – you must be aware of the INTENT of the law. Any constitutional lawyer or judge will agree. The intent of the second amendment was to pacify a populace that was scared by a war that had just ended and scared of a new government they thought would be no different than that of King George. By including the second amendment, the new government assured the people that they could keep their guns and form militias IF IT WAS NECESSARY TO MAINTAIN A FREE STATE. There is nothing going in the current administration that violates that AT ALL.

    “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” is the wording of the 2nd Amendment. According to Dictionary.com the definition of infringe is “to commit a breach or infraction of; violate or transgress.” That’s not happening. Guns are being regulated, not “infringed” which would mean being taken away entirely.

    I’ve no beef with people owning guns as long as it’s done within the confines of the law. What I do have a problem with is both sides – liberal and conservative – accusing each other of being ignorant and misinformed. It’s obvious that both sides are and I hope I’ve shed some light on this.

    • not a single gun is being taken away from anyone’s cold, dead hands. what’s happening is background checks, penalities, and responsibility is being enforced.

      great comment’

      I don’t think many gun owners know the second amendment beyond “right to bear arms”

      • “I don’t think many gun owners know the second amendment beyond “right to bear arms””—
        Again, an elitist comment stating gun owners must be ignorant and unintelligent. C’mon, brotha, don’t fall into that liberal calling card where you’re all more intelligent and more enlightened than us cavemen.

        You’re reserved spot at the compound is slipping.

    • “You have been talking about reducing the size of magazines for what I assume are guns that will fire at the pull of a trigger until the magazine is empty.” — No, One trigger pull = one round fired. It currently takes 10 trigger pulls to empty a 10 round magazine (semi-automatic).

      Civilians don’t own full automatic weapons that fire as many shots as possible on one trigger pull (full automatic). The AR-15 being talked about is a semi-automatic weapon.

      “Most people owned muzzle loaders that were used for hunting.” — The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting. As you alluded to, it was written so citizens could be armed and organized to form militias to confront tyranny and/or provide security quickly. Not that you are, anyone assuming the intent of the 2nd amendment is outside individual citizens of being able confront tyranny or security with weapons, is conjecture. The 2nd amendment is about citizens being able to arm and defend themselves.

      All I’m giving is information. That’s all. Not trying to prove a point. All facts.

      • Your facts are wrong. In full, the 2nd Amendment reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” When I was talking of INTENT, not hunting, and at the time the Constitution was written, the Continental Army had been disbanded, there wasn’t a navy until John Adams was president – in short, there was no military. The founders feared retaliation by the British and so, needed to rely on the citizens to form militias in order to defend the country. They said that a “well regulated militia” – one that could be controlled – was “necessary to the security of a free State.” At the time, “State” meant GOVERNMENT and since a militia was required, the citizens had to provide their own guns.

        What I said about pulling the trigger was mis-stated – I meant what you said – one pull=one shot. But still, you can get off 10 shots in 15 seconds compared to a muzzleloader’s one shot.

        • To be fair, the version that was ratified by the states only contained one comma, which does change the meaning of the sentence, slightly:

          “A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

          Now, I think we can all argue that the Armed Forces, plus the National and International Guard, takes care of our militia needs. And I agree with your original comment that control does not equate to infringement.

  10. “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”… Yeah, I know that. I know all of that. I know what it says in full. None of my facts were wrong. They parallel with what you just said.

    2nd amendment doesn’t say “muzzle loader”. Though, it would be interesting to see all police, bad guys, and military go to just using muzzle loaders. We could get back to bashing each others skulls in with war hammers, flails, axes, and swords with the occasional muzzle shot going off.

  11. Well, this has been an interesting conversation. Nice job Lance and Sarah, in bringing about a starting point. If anything meaningful is to occur, I think we need to get beyond the semantics…. One pull, one shot (no matter that is it almost instantaneous), the comments that criminals will always get the guns…yes, but can we make it a little more difficult, and the illogical analogies…the plane as a weapon deal. If someone hijacks a gas tanker and drives it into a public building, do we then begin to ban gas tankers..I think not. Many inventions in the modern age can be used for a nefarious purpose. They should not be banned, but some need to be regulated.

    When I was growing up, if you had an argument with another kid, you beat the crap out of each other and walked away. Too often these days, an argument is ended with a gunshot. Why? Human interaction has changed drastically in the world of the internet. Children are growing up with no understanding of how to settle an argument. Add in the bullying situation, so very prevalent, and you have a generation of kids not able to cope with life.

    These kids will soon be old enough to buy guns. If we start to get control of the assault guns now, maybe, just maybe, if one of these kids loses touch with reality, he or she, won’t have a semi-automatic weapon available to kill a classroom of first graders.

    • exactly why we need this type of gun control.

      Heck, us adults, including politician ones, can’t seem to argue correctly.

      Thank you Kath

  12. Has anyone brought up the investigation results stating that Adam Lanza never brought an AR-15 or any assault rifle into the building? That all they found were 4 hand guns in the school?

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